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    Note: The information being presented in this post has not been verified and may not be fully accurate. Please scroll down for more information. - The Mod Team
    Hi there, There is some misinformation in the ebelle guide "How to spot a fake Coach bag" about some of the creeds and serial numbers. I have emailed Jennifer to let her know and I am posting the history of Coach creeds and serial #'s, for any person who is interested in older Coach bags and vintage Coach bags manufactured before the 1990s.

    HISTORY OF COACH CREEDS & SERIAL NUMBERS.

    The second and third photo of the creeds/serial #’s in the ebelle Coach guide which are labeled as fake are genuine pre-90s creeds/serial #’s.

    In the 1960's Coach bags had either a metal identifier tag, or simple impression of the Coach logo, no creed no serial #'s.

    Coach introduced the creed without any serial # sometime in the late 60's/early70s. The word "leatherwear" is under the word Coach and the wording of the creed at this time was all caps "THIS IS A COACH BAG. IT IS MADE OUT OF A COMPLETELY NATURAL GLOVE TANNED COWHIDE. THE SCARS, SCRATCHES, VEINS AND WRINKLES ARE NATURAL CHARACTERISTICS OF FULL GRAIN LEATHERS". Under the creed is in all caps, "MADE IN NEW YORK CITY, U.S.A." ALL Coach bags made after the introduction of the creed and before serial #'s were introduced were made in NYC. Note that there are gaps in the creed in the lines describing the "scars, scratches, veins and wrinkles"

    When Coach added serial numbers to the creed in the 1970's they were "all numbers" in the format "xxx-xxxx" as shown in the second photo in the ebelle list. The last four digits do not correspond to the style number, each bag had a unique number. The particular bag shown in photo 2 on the list was made in New York City. Coach ceased making bags in NYC in the mid 70's before there was such a thing as fakes or knock offs. NYC bags are vintage and rare.

    This serial number format (all numbers, xxx-xxxx) is also on bags made in the United states, after Coach began manufacturing bags in multiple locations in the USA rather than NYC (sometime in the mid to late 70s). The wording of the creed is the same, except on the bottom it will say 'MADE IN THE UNITED STATES" OR "MADE IN U.S.A." Again the last four digits are not the style number, and the serial #’s were unique to each bag. There are a few styles with "MADE IN U.S.A" that have 8 in the serial number - all numbers, no dash, just a continuous string.

    In the 1980's Coach changed the serial numbers to "all numbers" in the format xxxx-xxx. An example of this in the third photo in the ebelle guide. The last three numbers do not relate to the style number, again the serial #’s were apparently unique to each bag.

    It was not until the 1990's that Coach introduced the modern registration format of letters and numbers, with the last four digits being the style number (or in the case of some of the newer bags after 2000, the last five digits). These registration numbers are not unique to each bag. The wording of the creed was also changed to all caps "THIS IS A COACH BAG. IT WAS HANDCRAFTED IN (country of origin) OF COMPLETELY NATURAL GLOVE-TANNED COWHIDE. THE VARIATIONS IN THE GRAIN ARE CHARACTERISTIC OF NATURAL FULL GRAIN LEATHER." There are no longer gaps between any of the words.

    At the present time any one who reads the ebelle review here will think any bag for sale on an online auction site which was made pre 1990s and has the old serial number format, is fake, even the rare, vintage, made in New York City Bonnie Cashin designs. Hopefully Jennifer will get a chance to update the review soon.

    If you would like photos of the 60's metal tag or impressed logo, or any of the pre-90s creeds and serial #'s please contact me. I would also be happy to share photos of knock-offs of Coach leather bags, including the classics, which are based on the bags from this pre-90s era, including photos of fake creeds and serial #’s.

    I this post helps Coach classics and vintage bag collectors.
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    Default Re: Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.

    For Authenticate this Questions, visit here: Coach Handbag: Please help authenticate purse!





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    Default Re: Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.

    Nice post, interesting about the history of the creed patch. I think too much emphasis is placed on this patch though, when trying to figure out whether or not a bag is fake. There are so many other factors to look at. A lot of women new to Coach just have this idea in their heads that these bags have to have a "serial" number when a lot of them do not. Actually, none of the bags within the past 20 years have an actual serial number. At any rate, nice post and thanks for taking the time to share!
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    Default Re: Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.

    Thank you for the post. Quite interesting. I have been looking at Coach bags for a long time now and I can easily spot a fake.
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    Default Re: Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.

    I just joined and read your (Margo's) post from a couple of years ago. I found it very helpful. If the offer still stands, would you send "photos of the 60's metal tag or impressed logo, or any of the pre-90s creeds and serial #'s please contact me. I would also be happy to share photos of knock-offs of Coach leather bags, including the classics, which are based on the bags from this pre-90s era, including photos of fake creeds and serial #’s" that you mentioned in the post? I'm also interested in what the ebelle review is. Can you help? Thanks.
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    Default Re: Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.

    I inherited 9 coach handbags from my grandma. 7 of them have the "Made in NYC, USA" stamped inside. The other two say made in the united states. My grandma grew up in New York and made frequent trips back, apparently to buy purses!

    I was wondering how I could find more background information about the purses such as the model and what they're worth. I'm also interested in finding out if they were designed by Bonnie Cashin. 5 of the purses still have their leather tags. I have all their serial numbers.

    Thanks for any help you can provide.

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    Default Re: Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.

    Thank you, this was really helpful. But I do have a question that I'm hoping you can shed some light on. I have seen two different coach bag that have "irregular"stamped inside(not in the creed) Do you know who stamps this? Is the bag still authentic, just not perfect? Thanks in advance

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    Default Re: Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.

    Quote Originally Posted by zippyone View Post
    Thank you, this was really helpful. But I do have a question that I'm hoping you can shed some light on. I have seen two different coach bag that have "irregular"stamped inside(not in the creed) Do you know who stamps this? Is the bag still authentic, just not perfect? Thanks in advance
    This post was originally created by someone back in 2007 and I don't believe there are around anymore. I have never heard of a bag with "irregular" stamped inside. From what I understand, there are various stamps that are used to identify discounted bags. They are pressed into the leather of the creed patch, giving an embossed appearance.

    Bullseye = Factory Outlet
    FS = Final Sale
    ES = Employee Sale
    X = TJ Maxx or Marshall's
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    Default Re: Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.

    My grandmother gave me a coach bag a few years ago. Its all brown leather with a long handle on each side of the bag. Each handle has one gold buckle. The creed says:

    THIS IS A COACH BAG. IT IS MADE OUT OF A COMPLETELY NATURAL, GLOVE TANNED COWHIDE. THE SCARS, SCRATCHES, VEINS AND WRINKLES ARE NATURAL MARKINGS CHARACTERISTICS OF FULLGRAIN LEATHERS.

    under that it says: MADE IN THE UNITED STATES

    the serial number is 0212578

    I was wondering how old the bag is and how much its worth. thanks so much!

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    Default Re: Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.

    Ahoy! I have never used one of these blogs before, so here goes...I am hoping someone on here knows something about really old Coach purses. I have a very old Coach Glove Tanned Cowhide shoulder bag in natural pale tan leather that I believe dates from the early 1960's. This purse features the Great Seal of the United States embossed on the outside flap, which measures about 8" square and covers the entire front of the purse. There are no zippers, snaps or other hardware except for the standard large square brass buckles that attach the strap on each side and the brass grommets on the strap. There is also no interior creed or serial number, just a 5/8" long black metal tag attached to the inside pocket which reads "COACH" in gold in a lozenge. It is unlined like the Classic leather purses -- I have several of these and am sure this is authentic. It came with a cardstock pamphlet from Coach Leatherware that talks about the leather and a cardstock hangtag about The Great Seal. Would anyone here know anything about this purse? It also needs to be cleaned (I think) or maybe not, according to the pamphlet. It looks dirty to me. Thanks!

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    I personally don't know much about bags that are that old. You are welcome to post pics in the authentication thread though, maybe someone here will know if they see pics.

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    Hi, are there any Coach handbags with a Creed # 0956 117 ? Everything looks good to me but the creed. Thankks, Sue

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    Default Re: Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.

    Hi, I'd love to know more about the very early bag with only the tiny metal tags. I'v had some of the Bonnie Cashin ones wtih the small metal tags, but they had the striped fabric linings, so they were recognizable. What about the ones that only have these tags, but do not have any lining? Are these from the 60's after Bonnie Cashin joins the team?

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    Default Re: Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.

    I have some issues with the top post in this thread.

    The "ebelle guide" everyone keeps referring to - are there any URLs for the Guide? There's nothing on the internet I can find.

    The dates in the top post are mostly incorrect and unfortunately they keep being repeated elsewhere. Coach stopped making bags in New York City in or a bit after 1987, NOT in the late 70s as the above post and apparently the "ebelle guide" claim. That fact has been verified by me numerous times by checking the creed stamps on vintage bags and cross-checking the dates based on Coach's catalogs indicating when the bag style was actually in production. The late 1980s was also when Coach replaced the Made In NYC stamp with "Made in the United States" - 1988 seems to be the year that took effect.

    The all-number xxxx-xxx serial number format began some time around 1989 and continued thru late 1991 or maybe early 1992, again verified by cross-checking bags with that format of serial number against their production dates as given in Coach's catalogs. The dates are also verified in this well-researched history of the company:
    Coach, Inc. -- Company History
    where the date for the opening of Coach's second plant in Miami is given as 1988 (the year NYC was removed from the creed, and also by references to Coach's NYC factory in my mid-1980s catalogs and that had vanished by 1989). The NYC factory had to close sometime between 1987 when the last of the NYC creeds seems to have been made and before 1994 when the plant codes were added to Coach serial numbers since there are no bags other than a few obvious fakes with the "A" plant code that the NYC plant was given.

    An updated and much more accurate history of Coach serial numbers and dates is available at Ebay's Guides section, under seller Salearea and written and researched by me. I hope it helps anyone needing information on dates, serial numbers and creed stampings. There are several other Guides posted there, all of them researched from scratch rather than based on, or copied from, anyone else's Guide. They don't pretend to be "authenticity guides" giving a handful of Rules for telling if a Coach is real - that's impossible anyway, there are NO one or two or three Rules that can EVER prove a Coach is genuine including the ridiculous "YKK zipper rule" - but they give a good background and some useful and accurate information about older Coach bags.
    eBay - Reviews & Guides by salearea


    More:

    Daria48's Fake Coach Serial Numbers List:
    eBay Guides - Fake Coach Serial Numbers - NT-4903 and more

    Salearea's Coach Guides:
    SALEAREA GUIDES - all
    eBay - Reviews & Guides by salearea

    Serial Numbers:
    eBay Guides - Coach Serial Numbers - the Basic Facts

    Creeds;
    eBay Guides - Coach Creeds - the Basic Facts

    YKK Zippers:
    eBay Guides - Coach and the YKK Zipper Myth - the Basic Facts

    Authenticity Guides:
    eBay Guides - Coach Authenticity Guides - Facts and Myths

    Italian Coach Bags:
    eBay Guides - Coach Italy Guide - Coach Italian Made Bags

    Vintage & Classic Leathers:
    eBay Guides - Authentic Coach - Vintage and Classic Leather
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    Default Re: Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.

    Hi Hyacinth! This thread was created back in 2007 by someone who only posted on this forum twice. They are no longer here, their last activity was June 21st, 2007 06:01 PM (according to their profile page). I have no idea where they got their information from. The ebelle 5 guide they are referring to is actually Bag Bliss's original name. There was a quick guide to identifying fake Coach bags, but it no longer exists. I don't believe it gave much information at all about the serial numbers, there were only pictures of some creed patches. One of them was labeled as fake, presumably because the serial number did not follow the current format. This person was saying that this particular example was not fake, but an authentic vintage piece. The guide did not claim (from what I recall) that Coach stopped making bags in New York City in the late 1970's. What this person has written was not verified by anyone here. I personally don't know much about vintage Coach. If this information is incorrect and is being referenced elsewhere, then I apologize. I can bring this to Jennifer's attention, but I believe the forum rules state that the forum is not to be held responsible for the content submitted by forum members.

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